I want to start off this month by addressing something that’s been on my mind for some time, and it might piss some people off, but it needs to be said. I want to look at two of the “older generation” skateboard magazines, Concrete Wave and Juice. I’ve been getting both for years and years, and boasted for a long time that I had every issue of Concrete Wave ever printed, (including when it used to be called International Longboarder). But the product has gotten so stale that I stopped getting it about 6 months ago, and really haven’t missed it at all. It’s a classic example of a magazine that apparently has no concept of its readership and subscription base. It’s mainly older guys like me, who still skate though not as much as we did, and we collect a little as well. We so some longboarding and some park skating, and we remember the days of the 70s and 80s with fondness. So that should be the focus of the magazine. Articles on parks around the country, reviews of old school setups, interviews with old pros, equipment tips, health and diet tips, maybe a collector’s corner. But instead we get page after page of longboard or slalom articles, plus features on the scene in Peru and places like that. I thumbed through the last issue in a bookshop: great cover, but ZERO content of interest to me. Plus don’t get me started on the confusing layout and plain bad design. Here’s a tip: just having a Mac and InDesign doesn’t make you a designer. On the plus side the quality of the paper is good, the size is right and you can depend on getting an issue every couple of months. It just needs content that people like me care about. It could be so good, but it fails, issue after issue.
Now as for Juice, I feel it has the opposite problem. The content is perfectly tailored to people like me. It has interviews with skaters and musicians that I care about; people that I grew up with or want to found out more about. The sections are obvious, and the design is basic but clean: it doesn’t get in the way of the content, unlike like so much of the Concrete Wave design. If I could change anything it would be to have the magazine use better quality paper, because the photos can’t really pop off that crappy newsprint: everything bleeds and blurs. Plus I would probably increase the base type size by a point or two; I find it too small to read comfortably. Maybe I’d shrink it from the tabloid form factor too, and have it come out more than twice a year. Overall though, those are just cosmetic concerns, because they get it mostly right. Concrete Wave gets it mostly wrong. Sorry if those words sting guys. I want to love the magazine, but I just can’t, and I think that most people feel the same way. Thoughts? Do you agree with me out there, or am I wrong?
Anyway, this months BayWatch is brought to you by The Dollyrots. This 3 piece bubblegum punk band comes from LA, and they have a ridiculously cute bass playing lead singer. They recently finished a long tour with Buzzcocks, and were the perfect fresh foil to the Buzzcocks classic set. They have 2 albums available, and their second “Because I’m Awesome” has been on heavy rotation on my iPod recently. It’s melodic, catchy, mid-paced pop punk, somewhat like The Eyeliners. The emphasis is definitely on fun. Their third album “A Little Messed Up” will be out mid August, and personally I can’t wait.
60s, 70s, early 80s.
First up this month is this Powell Peralta “Beamer” complete from 1979. This one is interesting, because even though it’s definitely a beamer, the Powell Peralta logos appear to be stickers applied later, because the color on them is far different than the rest of the deck. Also, it doesn’t appear to have the regular Beamer top logo, instead having some rainbow “Miami’s for me” sticker! The griptape job can best be described as “minimal”. It has what are probably first gen Indys and Kryptonics, so that adds to the value, but overall it’s a very strange complete. It sold for $810.
Now here’s another strange one. It’s a Dogtown Wes Humpston “Bulldog” from 1978, complete with all of the original parts, but it’s been completely disassembled for some reason. This one has some kind of clear ceramic base ply because it’s still shiny, glossy and smooth after 32 years. The yellow dip is a really nice colorway, and is highlighted by the clear wheel wells. There are some scratches and marks on the tail, but overall it’s very clean. The package comes with Indy stage ones and G&S Yoyo conicals, along with all the vintage plastics. Overall it’s a really nice 70s complete, and sold for $875.
Here we have a G&S Doug “Pineapple” Saladino “Pine Design” deck from 1979. It’s been setup and ridden, but is very clean. The seller rates it as an 8.5/10, so there you go. It ahs a little tail wear, but overall looks really, really solid. The ACS and Yoyo stickers can be removed, or you could leave them because they do add a vintage look. The rails appear to be natural wood too which is very unusual, and the griptape is even in great condition. It sold for $881 on 21 bids, which speaks to the overall condition.
Here’s a Dogtown Shogo Kubo Airbeam complete from 1979. The top of the deck is interesting because the grip doesn’t go to the edge on the sides for some reason, revealing the true colors under the clear grip. What appears to be black is actually silver! I’m not sure why the grip is like that, but the cut is clean and looks like it was done on purpose. It comes complete with the mega rare Variflex “reverse” trucks, in the design that is now popular with longboard trucks. The wheels are Kryptonics. The complete is very clean overall, and all of the rare parts really pushed up the price: it sold for $1,225.
So you want rare? Well try this Sims “Outrageous 8 Wheeler” from 1978 on for size! It’s totally classic in every way, and is loaded with goodness! It has 4 sets of Tracker Half tracks, eight Sims Snakes in yellow and green, Madrid rails, two Woody space plates, two nose guards, and a multitude of 70s stickers, both bottom and top under the pizza grip! My personal favorites are the Tunnel sticker and the Cadillac Wheels stickers. This thing is a fucking time machine! It’s total grailage, and sold for $1,600, but is probably worth twice that, easily.
Mid 1980s
So let’s start off the 80s section this month with something unusual, and something to get you freestyle guys all excited about! It’s a Vision Don Brown “Pigstick” from 1988ish. It’s NOS< never been setup, and the graphics are super loud and vibrant. I guess that the graphic is a take-off on the Porky Pig ending to some cartoons from the 40s, but instead of saying “That’s all folks”, this one is saying “That’s all jerks!” which might be a last insult thrown at Vision, or it may just be a general insult aimed at all of us. It went for $178.
So here’s a Concrete Jungle DRI band deck from 1987. It comes complete with old Thunders (swords on the baseplates) and Powell Rat Bones. It was a very limited run of decks, so limited apparently that the band only received one deck! It’s tough to tell, but it looks like the dog got into the guy’s beer, so he’s beating it with a newspaper? Weird. The top graphic is the classic DRI running guy logo. It also has lots of good vintage stickers from back in the day: a Schmitt Stix Joe Lopes, a PP Mullen, plus an Agression sticker and a DRI sticker on the tail for good measure. You know the deal: yank the stickers and this will be good. It went for $450.
So here’s another in the long line of cool Vision Gator colorways. This one is in a very classic lilac and black colorway, with orange highlights around the type. It’s very simple, and yet very effective. A lot of folks looked down on Vision, but their screen-printing department really had this shit on lockdown, because some of these colorways are pure brilliance. It comes complete with Trackers and Tracker Lester wheels. Underneath those silly stickers you have almost an NOS condition deck, so the buyer got a hell of a deal for $216.
And sticking with the bad sticker theme we have this Powell Peralta Allan Gelfand “Ollie Tank” complete from 1980. Again, remove the completely ridiculous yellow Gotcha sticker across the middle of the deck, and the Skull and Sword sticker, and you’ve got a great condition original Gelfand deck for a very reasonable $516. If you were in the market for one and don’t remember seeing this, it’s because the seller didn’t realize what he had. The auction merely states “Powell Peralta 1980s skateboard”. I guess the pro name wasn’t visible enough so the words Ollie or Gelfand didn’t appear anywhere in the auction. It’s complete with Trackers and PP Rat Bones wheels. It probably went for around $300 less than it should have, but don’t feel bad for the seller though because he bought it at a garage sale, and I’m betting paid around $10 for it.
Here’s a Blockhead Jim Gray ‘Stretch” from 1987. Why Stretch? Because it was longer than his regular model, more a cruiser than a longboard, coming in at around 35” long. The deep red stain is nice, and the graphic is classic early blockhead. It’s a very nice deck at a very nice price: $110.
Now this Santa Cruz Jeff Grosso “demon” from 1987 was recently featured on Sean Cliver’s excellent Disposable blog. The most unusual thing here is the horribly garish colorway; Cliver compares it to a “prostitute way past her prime”, but I think it’s so loud and 80s that it goes the other way, and is excellent. The screaming blue and orange of the demon is grounded by the excellent, sparing use of color in the banner, and the smooth black dip. If they were going for a blacklight poster look, then consider it job done! It comes complete with Indys, white and green wheels, and completely mismatched plastics: neon green tailbone, black rails and brown nosebone. It’s hideously excellent, and a bargain for $355.
Now this is a beautiful deck. It’s a World Industries Jef Hartsel “Bodhi Tree” from 1990. It had been setup and ridden, but was restored back to unskated condition, which was clearly stated in the auction. The rail holes were filled in, the tail was reconstructed and it had some touch-ups to the paint. They did an excellent job, because this deck looks new. Even the topside is almost flawless. The deep green stain is beautiful, and overall this is probably one of my favorite full-bleed graphics if all time. It sold for $700.
So here’s a H-Street Matt Hensley “Pole Spin” (Vista) from 1989. It’s mint, still in shrink, and although the colorway is pretty vanilla, being on the natural woodstain, it still looks really good. The nose is double drilled, suggesting that this specimen was maybe from a later run of the deck. In June 2006 a deck with this exact same colorway sold for over $1,200, so the fact that this one sold for only $620 shows where our economy has gone in the last 4 years.
Now this is a deck that you would see all the time at online shops that still had 1980s stock. It’s a Smith Lonnie Hiramoto “Samurai”, and because neither the company or the skater were well known, it seemed destined to remain forever in the bargain rack of 80s decks, always the last one picked. Times might have changed however, because this gold model went for $140, which is about twice what it used to go for! Admittedly this one is mint and in an unusual gold dip, but still, I think all signs are pointing up for this underrated deck!
So here’s a Dogtown Tim Jackson “Rat” from 1990. I believe that it was Tim’s only pro model, and I assume that he was a local Santa Monica street skater. This deck is NOS and on a purple woodstain. The graphic is typical 1980s Dogtown, with the main graphic element surrounding and interacting with the classic Dogtown cross logo. It was very clever branding. The deck sold for $249.
As you are probably well aware, this is a Santa Cruz Jason Jessee “Racing Flames” deck from 1989. It’s mint, and in the classic natural colorway. There’s not much else to say about this one really. It’s obvious and clichéd, but still strangely effective. I must have something for flames I guess. On my first blue plastic skateboard (Sitco Rocket, bitches) I bought 2 long flame stickers for underneath. I’m not quite sure why really. I sure wasn’t going fast, and nothing could have made a polyprop look cool, but there you go. This sold for $1,000.
This deck doesn’t need any explanation either, but I’ll do it anyway for the noobs. It’s a Sims Lester Kasai “splat” from 1983. Often imitated, never duplicated. It’s a true classic. This one must have looked exceptional when the seller purchased it at the skateshop originally. The white was probably super bright, and the fluorescent greens and blues probably screamed ‘BUY ME!!” Even after all these years the deck is still bright and attractive, much like Tina Fey. The white ahs yellowed a little, but it’s still a very solid deck. The plastics and stickers almost add something here, so I might leave them, but I’d probably clean up the grime. It sold for $213.
Here we have two outstanding Powell Peralta Lance Mountain decks. They both feature the more common Future Primitive 2 graphic from 1986, but in two very distinct and different colorways. The top one is the classic Powell black dip, with red graphics and gold lettering. Very simple, and yet totally effective and timeless. It’s mint, full size, 7-ply, and has the winged ripper top graphic. It sold for $980. Below that we have a very different colorway. It’s bright pink with the blue shadowy stain all over, giving it a depth that a plain dip couldn’t. It looks older and special somehow, although I must say that I don’t think that the orange lettering works. It’s too weak. It is full size, 7-ply, and has the classic Powell dragon top logo. It sold for $1,287.
Here’s a Schmitt Stix John Lucero “X2” from 1986. This is one of those completes that simply works all assembled like this. Without the trucks and plastics it might look kind of plain if you know what I mean, maybe because the colorway isn’t the best. The neon green rails and risers actually frame the graphic really well here, and give the rather dull colors in the graphic an added pop. I really like the Thunderbolts sticker on the nose too. Don’t know what those are? Then you’re not old school, so stop pretending that you are! It’s complete with Indys and OJs, and has both black and clear griptape on top. I’m guessing that this weighed in at around 40 metric tons. It sold for $246.
Holy shit this is nice!!! It’s a Powell Peralta Mike McGill “Jet Fighter” complete. It’s the first run 6-ply model, and of course is McGill’s first graphic. The rounded wheel wells are the telltale sign of the early 6-ply models. This is totally classic, from the bright green stain, to the Trackers (with copers of course), to the Powell 64×64 Bones wheels. It has a classic Bones sticker on the nose and an old skateshop sticker on the tail. It’s not mint clearly, but is super clean, and would be the centerpiece of any collection. It has the classic old clear pizza grip up top, and it’s yellowed with age giving it a classic look. Ah shit, this whole package is awesome. $899 was nowhere near enough damnit!
Here’s one that I don’t think I’ve shown before. It’s an Alva Skates Jim Murphy “Mini Murf” from 1988. As it says, it’s a mini model, and the Alva decks actually featured completely different graphics than their big brothers. The graphic here is a confusing mess or dragons and wings in a horrible combination of colors, but the classic Alva fade scheme makes any crap look good, so it’s all good. The deck is signed on tail, and not just signed, but personalized in a charming manner: “To Brian, skate tough eat muff”. Great stuff. It sold for $153.
Here’s an excellent example of where a colorway helps boost the price of a pretty common deck. It’s a SMA Natas Kaupas “drunk cat” from 1990. It’s mint, and although the graphic isn’t up to the standard of his earlier models, it still fits in with the whole “black cat/triangle” motif of his classic run. But the colorway is stunning here. The black to purple vertical fade is beautiful, and lifts the deck from everyday to exceptional. It would look great on any wall. It sold for $550, which is awesome for this model, which normally has a hard time breaking the $300 barrier.
Here’s a Powell Peralta Ratbones (Vato Rat) team deck from 1983ish. It’s been set up and used, but is in pretty fine condition considering. It has some nose flattening and some tail wear, but nothing much really. The red dip is still bright and clean, and the main graphic is all there. If you can’t afford a mint one (and who can), this would be a fine wall hanger, once you’ve ripped off the pink rails that is! Come on man! The top has clear griptape that covers some fantastic generic mid 80s stickers that include a “Stop! Locals Only” and a “No Wimps”. Both are particular favorites of mine. It sold for $799.
So here’s the big money deck of the month. It’s a Santa Cruz Rob Roskopp “Target 1” from 1985 in a very tasty hot pink dip. It’s factory gripped but has never been set up, and is about as clean as you will see. Sure there are some storage marks and chips etc, but I’m not sure you’ll ever find a better one. Looking at the graphic 25 years later, it is simple and effective, and the monster arm pointing to the name is a nice graphic touch. The tail cutaway was a mark of genius too, differentiating it from all the other pig decks on the rack at the time. I’ve used the word “Classic” a lot this month, but this one is, and the price showed it. It sold for $2,706 on 23 bids.
This is an Alva Skates John Thomas “Ankh” from 1986. It’s NOS, but not mint, with some storage marks, scuffs etc. It has the front wheel wells and the classic diamond (dolphin) tail that was guaranteed to wear down in about 30 minutes. It’s in a very appealing yellow stain, and features graphics in green and red, keeping the whole thing in the rasta vibe that the Alva team all reveled in back then. That’s a nice looking deck for $112.
Here we have a super-warped Powell Peralta Per Welinder “Nordic Skull” from 1987. I feature it because of the outstanding lime green colorway. I can’t tell if it’s the seven-ply model or the boneite because the photos are so small, but I’m leaning towards boneite. It has a super severe warp, which might or might not have affected the price. It’s not NOS clearly, but is in really nice condition, and the colorway is very appealing. It sold for $300.
Here’s one of those rare occasions when the plastics, trucks and wheels actually add to the value of the complete! It’s a Powell Peralta Skull and Sword team model from 1984, and is attractive enough in a silver dip and red colorway. But the seller has really upped the ante with bright red tail, nose and rails, red risers, red and black Gullwing trucks and red Kryptonics wheels! The whole package is fabulous; well done sir! The only drawback is the ugly Tony Magnusson and Steve Steadham autographs scrawled on there. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but now they just look out of place. It sold for $367.
And let’s wind up the 80s section this month with this Zorlac “Double Cut” team model from 1985. This one has front and rear wheels wells, and has the “Skate Tough” top graphic, not the “Shut up and Skate” one that came on later models. This one has some scratching, gouging and general age marks, but is very clean overall, and the flat black dip and green and red shrunken head graphic makes this one a real winner. It sold for $662, but would have gone far higher had the condition been better.
90s-present day
Ha, here’s one that I haven’t featured before! It’s a Focus Christian Hosoi “Fokkoman” from 1995. Clearly it’s a take off on the Kikkoman soy sauce label, but this time it’s “Hosoi Sauce”. It’s NOS, never been mounted. Some scuffs but basically mint. It’s a pretty routine graphic, but is still pretty funny, and rare too. I’m shooting from the hip here, so bear with me. After Santa Cruz, he was on Tuff Skates, then Sk8 Kulture, then Milk, then Focus. I think that was it until his release from jail in 2003. This sold for $338.
Now this one’s a beauty, not so much for the graphic, but for that flat black dip of the deck. It’s a G&S Mark Heintzmann “Broken Bottle” from 1992. Most of his early graphics were based around the Heinz ketchup bottle, which gets old really fast, but this one I don’t mind at all, but again, I think it’s because of the amazing flat black dip. I don’t now why this wasn’t used more often, because the graphic is almost 3D when viewed on this background. It’s totally awesome. Congrats G&S for doing something so simple and yet so completely effective. $178.
OK, so here’s a New Deal Andrew Morrison “Handbird” from 1992. The graphic is typically minimalist New Deal, but is very effective, as you would expect from Andy Howell. It’s complete with Venture trucks and Nude Eel wheels, and although it’s been ridden a bit, remove the trucks and rails and the graphic almost looks perfect. The wood stain isn’t too exciting, but still, it allows the graphic to pop. Clean it up with some olive oil and this would look a ton better.
Well this ugly ass deck is a Think Eric Ricks “Trippy kid” slick from 1993. I show it just to show how fucking crap a lot of graphics were in the mid 90s. Yes it’s a slick, so yes it’s mega rare in NOS condition, but really, who cares? It’s butt-fucking-ugly. $405? Really? Wow. Big pants, small wheels, crap graphics.
So I seem to show at least one Blockhead deck every month, but here’s one I bet you’ve never seen before, and probably wouldn’t even have known it was a Blockhead at first glance. It’s a Blockhead Dan Rogers slick from 1992. Clearly Ron Cameron wasn’t doing the artwork anymore, because this one must have been thrown together in about 30 seconds. Crap, crap, fooking crap. It’s sad when a company with such a strong visual flair just throws in the towel and pumps out shit. I do like the red strip on the logo though. That’s my favorite part of the deck. $199.
Hmm. So here’s more thrown together crap from the early 90s. This time it’s a TV Mike Vallely “Taxi Driver” slick from 1992. Actually, it’s not that bad, at least it makes some sense. It’s a collage graphic combining all kinds of stuff that Mike was into at the time, from the movie Taxi Driver to pics of his dog and brother. It has a hockey fight on there, and even pays homage to fellow New Jersey skater Tom Groholski somewhere. It’s a real mess, but at least it’s a mess that somewhat makes sense, much like any collage brought home by a 6 year old. My daughter made me a collage deck for xmas when she was 6. It has pictures of our animals on it, along with my old Mini and birds and butterflies. It’s far better than this, but this one sold for $717 so there you go.
I’ve featured a few sets of decks recently, but I can’t remember a finer looking set than this one. It’s the Chocolate “Day of the Dead” set from 2007. A lot of modern companies do stuff like this, having a common graphic thread tying together all of the different pro models, but few have done it better than Chocolate in this set. Each of the decks feature a tail to nose skeleton playing an instrument on a different color dip, and they look stunning by themselves. But put all nine decks together, and you’ve got an instant wall of awesomeness. Seriously, this is a real head turner. All of the decks are mint in shrink, and all together they sold for $1,050. Niiiiiice.
Assorted Crap
Now by “crap” I don’t mean crap obviously, I just mean stuff, because this set of Bennett Vector truks (that’s how they spell it) and Bennett SuperGator wheels are not crap by any means. Nope, they are just the opposite. They were the apex of 70s skate technology. The trucks supposedly turn on a dime and the wheels were sticky but fast. This set is mint and unused, and very, very rare. They sold for $1,300, and have made some 70s collector very, very happy.
Aah, yes, the famous Powell Bones skeleton pool ripper sticker from 1978! As old stickers go, this one is a beauty. It’s Powell only because it predates Stacy joining up, and the skeleton appears to be riding a beamer. I’m assuming this is where the ripper logo came from, and all of the other Powell skull and skeleton graphics that subsequently started. This is the daddy! So looking at it like that, this is a rare piece of skate history that was very instrumental in where graphics were going to go. The sticker sold for $155, but I’m guessing that this one will go up and up in value. Note, this is a large version of the sticker, being almost 5” across.
Well, we haven’t seen one of these for a while! A few years ago we’d see one of these Bones Brigade World Tour 80 team jackets come up every month, but those days are long gone. It seemed though that every jacket sold appeared to be a size small, so either the members of the Powell team were all munchkins, or they made a bunch in the wrong size and decided to sell them or raffle them off. It’s a nice looking jacket, with the big logo on the back and the small pro graphics down the sleeve. As per normal it’s a size small and was won at a contest raffle. It sold for $1,000, so it’s keeping a rich midget warm right about now.
Oooh, here is a minty fresh set of Road Rider 2s from 1976. They have the rad, red translucent color, and would be the prefect wheels for that old Hobie deck that you’ve been meaning to set up as an era-correct complete! They are a thing of beauty, and sold for $148 on 13 bids.
So you’re an old skater from the 80s who got out of it for decades, grew up, got a job and a family, but now want to relive your youth. You got rid of all your old stuff in the 90s including all your old music, so what to do? Well here you go! It’s a collection of 7 of the original Thrasher Skate Rock cassettes, even though number 7 appears to be missing. So now for $42 you can sit on your porch and annoy the neighbors with both your music and your tales of how good you were “back in the day”! From what I remember though, the only decent one was the first one because that had a nice selection of differing styles on it. The later ones became all thrash, and bad thrash at that. But I digress. Now if only you still had a cassette player…
So you busted your ass while skating outside your house while listening to the Skate Rock tapes above. You’re never gonna skate again! So what to do with your skate stuff, including the one pair of high top Vans that you kept? Throw it away? NEVER! Throw it on eBay of course! This pair of well used, made in the USA Vans features the oh-so popular skull and crossbones motif. You couldn’t move in 1988 without seeing this graphic on shoes, shorts, clamdiggers, fanny packs, caps etc. Seriously though, if you skated in the 80s this graphic will be an instant time machine back to a simpler time of big decks and simple fun. So if you have an old pair of Vans, don’t throw them out, put them up for auction and earn $129!
Bargains!
Starting off the Bargains section we have this Allan Losi Skates (ALS) “No Skate Talk” team model from 1988. It’s got some storage marks but is NOS, never setup or skated. I’ve only ever seen this deck in red dip, but the color of the skater and type can change. It’s a stereotypical 80s graphic, but that’s not a bad thing for lots of us here, especially for the very cheap price of $74.
So I had a Walker Reggie Barnes street model in the Bargains section last month, and this month it’s the turn of it’s little brother, the Reggie Barnes “Hieroglyphics” freestyle model. It’s been setup and used, but most of the wear is around the edges, and the graphic is mostly OK. The lavender dip colorway is exquisite, and the main part of the graphic has a blue to orange fade. It comes complete with Trackers and OJIIs, and a ridiculous Buckwheat sticker on the tail. It sold for $100.
So this deck is the G&S Street Chomp 2 from 1991. The graphic is interesting, with the skater figure being made up of different objects and shapes, and on the background of an ingredients label. That doesn’t attract me though. What made me feature this deck is the stunning flat-black dip. The deck is out of shrink but basically flawless, and is a fascinating piece of skate art. The colorway makes what could be a total mess of a graphic into something very collectible. $72.
So let’s stick with G&S, and look at this Neil Blender “Scorpion” from 1989. It’s used and abused, but the graphic is all there, and it would look good on any wall. It has enough wear to make it look interesting: it’s obviously been enjoyed through the years, and that counts for something. It’s complete with first gen black Thunders and Powell Rat Bones. It sold for $53.
But this complete on the other hand is in fantastic condition. It’s a Santa Cruz Claus Grabke “Holding Back Time” from 1988, complete with red Trackers. The deck is basically NOS, and the trucks and wheels look basically unused. The natural colorway is superb, and the reds, greens and yellows in the woodcut graphic really stand out. The red trucks even match the graphic. It’s a great looking complete and yet it only sold for $61. Now, there is something a little fishy about this one, because the seller appeared to have listed the same setup numerous times, but I can’t find hard evidence that it is a scam.
Now here’s another that should have gone far higher than it did. It’s a Vision “hippie stick” team deck from 1985. It’s in fine shape; some cracks and signs of wear, but overall the trippy hippie graphic is all there. Plus I really dig the colorway here. The predominantly green deck is set off by the yellows and oranges, and the blue type completes the look. Very nice indeed. Yes, it’s not the most desirable deck out there, but it certainly has its place, so $37 is absurdly low.
So here’s a Tracker GSD “eyeball” from 1986. It’s an unusual deck this. GSD is credited as being the first street pro, and the inventor of the boneless, but he became a pro just before the rise of the street ollie, so he was rapidly thrown into obscurity by the Gonz, Natas etc. His deck is an oddity too. It is small, bomb shaped, and has very little concave or tail. It’s still a pretty rare one though, so this highly stickered but not abused model should have fetched far more than the $92 that it did. Remove those stickers (given away at a Powell demo I’d guess?) and you’ll be left with a very nice looking GSD deck, which will confuse most folks, including most skaters.
And staying with the Tracker theme, we have this Tracker Lester Kasai “oak leaf” from 1986. The colorway isn’t the best, pink and blue on white being rather weak, but still, it’s an oak leaf and it looks to be in nice condition overall. Some nose and tail wear but the graphic itself is flawless. The deck does have some delam issues on the top side, but you won’t see those hanging on the wall. It sold for $87, which seems very reasonable to me, and it’s exactly the kind of deck that gives a collection some variety!
And finally this month, and sticking with the Tracker love, we have this set of four Tracker Man team decks from 1986. It’s an almost identical shape to the GSD eyeball deck, so I’m guessing that GSD wanted his shape changed after the first one, and they were stuck with a ton of blanks in that shapes, so they screened something generic on there instead. This set of four have all been set up and ridden, so all have some scratching and gouges, but aren’t bad overall. The blue and green are the best, but the two purple ones are in the best shape. You could have bought this set for $61, kept one and become the instant hero of your collecting friends by giving the others away and kick starting their collections. Yes, $61.
See ya next month.
-Neil
Holy shit,it’s The New Watch!
This turns out to be a good day after all.Have to read it asap…
before reading ….
Agreed about both magazines…especially the Canadian one which seems to incessantly push the longboard and slalom agenda of its initial incarnation under the guise of representing “all kinds of skateboarding.” It just seems like they should change the title to ASR Monthly and become a trade rag (just my $.02).
I’m happy for the month … too bad I missed that “Clocks” …
You are a bit rough with CW: young readers appreciate the international news, and “classic” skaters find it too DH oriented … I agree the sess reports are really poor.
As a friend said about Juice: “dream catcher and toilet paper”
any intention to change your name to “Watch Tower ” ?
I think I heared it somewhere else …
Good job !
Only subscribed to CW for one year. Got really bored. Loving Juice so far. Sure the paper sucks, but I don’t really care that much. There was very little in the last issue that I wasn’t into. CW is lucky to have something I am into these days. I think you got it right on with the critique.
…and another solid,great Watch!
I have to thank you again for featuring the Don Brown,and the Walker.Two freestyle decks!I’m very grateful.
The Grabke clocks is weathered and has rail holes.(but still cheap,yes).
So do we have to open up the “Who’s NOS and who’s not” discussion again?
And I agree with you and sheabones on CW.Some years ago CW was a big eye opener for me and I discovered this whole ‘world of longboarding’.I always traveled to a special newsstand to get the mag (hard to get over here) but this year the thrill has gone.A bit too canadian downhill orientated for me.But then again you could say SnA is a bit Oregon orientated,which makes sense,ok.
sorry that the mag is not everyone’s cup of tea…
we are trying to showcase what’s out there…if you look carefully, we cover it all.
The downhillers, the slalom skaters, the freestylers and of course, the streetskaters and everything in between.
There is no agenda except to get folks stoked on skateboarding.
I feel we’ll never be at a level where I am truly satisfied. We aim to incorporate new and fresh ideas with every issue.
This upcoming issue (due out in late AUG) will feature a huge variety of photos…it’s our first annual photo issue.
Have a peek and get back to me with your thoughts Kilwag…and that goes for anyone else….
Mr. Brooke,it only makes sense that you want to defend your magazine and therefore I’m happy to see you respond.I guess you read the whole (Neil’s) article.I just flipped to the last CW issue I bought (Vol.8 #5);I must say it still ticks some boxes for me,and I’m no expert in graphic/layout design.You started out giving room to all the skate-elements that you would not see in Transworld.You also get props for featuring female skateboarders and if it weren’t or CW,I would never have discovered the Warren Bolster book.But I too miss all those points Neil talks about.Maybe he has the desire for SnA in magazine-form again?I feel like there is a ‘gap to be bridged’ between the downhill jocks and the punkrock crowd that is us SnA readers.
Well,I too want CW to succeed! Good luck.
“…get back to me with your thoughts Kilwag”
I think you mean Neil. He writes this column, not me.
That’s what Neil said already.
Try to read your own blog sometimes,hehe.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not the long boarding that turns me off. it’s just that it seems most long board stuff seems downhill related. I’ve been known to ride the parks on a long board now and then. You have covered long boarding in pools and stuff before. That’s more my personal cup o’ tea. To be honest though, I have not looked at an issue in quite awile. Maybe I should…
I enjoy the magazine because it’s different and showcases a wide variety of the sport and defines it all as just skateboarding. I also enjoy the other magazines but they all seem to have the same effect when reading which is to put the magazine down and go skate.
When the interviews in Juice are good they’re really great. Lots of the interviews are like a mad lib having to do with fame, drug addiction, tailspin, recovery–that gets old. Juice is chronicling the history of skating/modern surfing/punk, which is important. Even though it’s about skating, the interviews are conversational and you end up with some great pieces like the Hartsel interview. That’s why the mag is worth subscibing to and hanging on to.
Any constructive advice I have for CW is to get some pros on staff. Think of what BK did for Thrasher, what GSD did for Transworld, and what Olson does for Juice. Give it some edge, solid photography, and layout that is more artistic and fun to look at. I want to support both mags.
Michael, just to clarify something. Kilwag doesn’t write the Baywatch reports, so those thoughts aren’t his, they are mine and mine alone. He might agree with me, he might not, I’m not sure.
I want CW to succeed, but like I say, I don’t think you understand your core market or what they find interesting, and judging by some of the responses I’ve seen on here so far I don’t think I’m alone.
Prickly Pete, exactly, well put. I too want to support both mags.
Wow, I’m honored to make the bargains section again with my Barnes FS board. I’m also the winner of last months Barnes street model, now the family is complete. I’m stoked. I also got a decent Tracker Per Holknekt FS for 21.50.
I pored over that Grabke deck, comparing it to known originals because I really want that model. And I agree that something just wasn’t right about it. I don’t know, maybe its instincts or paranoia, but something just didn’t sit right with me.
Thanks for the great column.
Congrats but leave some FS decks for me please! 😉
I’m still bummed I missed out on that Barnes black dip from a few months back.Seeing the enlarged pic. of your deck now makes me think I should have taken a shot.(but maybe he didn’t ship internationally,I forgot).
The Holnekt must be the Flipside model?
Thanks, I feel the same pain over missing the recent black Barnes, that was a sweet sweet deck. Yes the Holknekt is a Flipside, you can check it out if you want, item #230486135396. Too bad someone had to grind right over the middle though, oh well.
I have the same colorway deck,without the Holnekt signature.
Funny how the blue colorway is not on AoS (and I’m not sending ’em a picture)
Houuse of Neil, I gotta weigh in this month. Love your column, love the Dollyrots–props on your musical choices generally. I enjoy Juice and CW and actually agree with many of your comments on both. I have contributed several items published in CW, so I have a positive bias, but my contributions were all old school vert or collector oriented and I would like to see more of that. I like longboarding and I owe that to CW. It’s a great mag but could cater more to the type of people that seem to enjoy S&A. I think Mike Brooke is doing what he loves and doing it well, so you were a little tough, but your point is well taken and obviously shared by many. Thanks!
Kia ora Neil.
1. 89 Bones tour jacket soo rad. skipped shcool to check them out at our brand new 12 ft ramp in Napier, NZ. My step dad gave me a beating for skipping…but I saw TH do six back to back McTwists, so fck him! I would have taken a beating every day for a year to see Hosoi….
Are you related to Ren Hoek?
‘Vooruit!’, ‘aan Hoek’….What’s with all the dutch here? Kom op! 😉
Go forward….come on??? Tidak banci….
geen “dutch”, een betje vlams.
Are you related to Dickrag, Kilwag. No maybe, Oldfag. Enough chinwag, Shitbag.
damn. Calm down!
Oh sorry, forgot, thanks for the article.
Sorry,
In my rush to respond, I forgot to realize that it was Neil…
Yes, I realize that there are times when we get somewhat heavily involved with a certain genre. This can be overwhelming to some. I’d like to think that we are continuously aiming for solid coverage of all areas of skateboarding. In terms of bringing in more folks, well, I think our photo annual speaks for itself. It is filled with some terrific shots. This is what I want to build on.
I never have forgotten my diy roots. I certainly realize that one mans meat is another’s poison….and between these two ideas, I am trying to create a unique voice within skateboarding…while at the same offer things you can’t already get from the web. It is somewhat of a delicate balancing act…..but I love doing the mag.
Our readers Start at about 8 and go all the way to the mid 60’s. This is quite a bridge…some ride one board….others have over 1000 in their collection.
I would however like to make the following offer. If you have never seen concrete wave or you haven’t seen it in over a year or so, email me your mailing address and I will send you out the issue. No charge…and I won’t harass you either. This offer is only limited to folks who live in north America who visit this thread. Since I now there are more lurkers than posters, I will limit it to maximum 100 people and the offer closes July 30.
If you dislike what we have created, no harm done-if you like what we’ve published, well that is great. Either way, i am grateful for the feedback.
i am a 40 year old skater and i dont think of a longboarder as skater . are worlds never colide. we both ride sk8’s
but there a distant to me as a guy riding a bmx. i am in noway putting down
l.b.ing but just making a comparison. c.w. needs a revamp thats for sure.
keep up the struggle.
Michael, thanks for your responses. That’s very cool of you to do. However, your last response here maybe sums up the crux of the problem. You can say that you have readers “from 8 to 60”, but you have to acknowledge that the VAST majority of your readership is in the 30-45 range. You don’t see your average 12 year old kick-flipper at the park discussing the latest CW issue with his buds, but you might see the old padded up guy with is Old Man Army setup complaining about it. That’s your audience, and that’s who you should be appealing to. Right now you are missing your target demographic completely, and that’s a shame. I think most of the feedback here bears that out.
“I think most of the feedback HERE bears that out” . Yes, but I am also pretty sure some young guns involved in DH or “free-riding” keep an eye on CW, ‘caus the subject is treated nowhere else
I wouldn’t say he’s missing his audience completely, it’s more like he’s targeting a different audience. Longboarding and downhill seem to be the focus it’s a niche for sure, but like it or not it’s a sizable community that rallies around CW, ours, not so much.
but Kilwag, Michael has said numerous times that he’s not targeting a niche. He thinks he’s covering “all aspects” of skateboarding. That’s the root of the problem for some because clearly CW is not doing that.
My email is mbrooke@interlog.com
Took you up on the offer. Very nice of you. Exited to check out the mag again.
“This offer is only limited to folks who live in north America who visit this thread.”
Michael !
My favourite pages in CW are those opening to new worlds -Latin world, budding prospects in Africa or small islands like where I live … keep it international ! Use spanish, brasilian portuguese, french or even creole if it suits the pictures …
Cw is an open door on other worlds, one skateboarding planet, a thousand faces !
I’m afraid we’re going to have to pay for our CW issues buddy!
it costs about $13 to mail out each copy overseas on a non-bulk rate….that’s why I am limiting it to North America for now…I just don’t have the $$$
Ok Miike, just pulling your leg – I am a subscriber – but I am serious too about the postcards, portfolio, and foreign paraphernalia: who said “an eye-opener”? I guess it is a nice description.
Vooruit ! Go for it !
Vlaams,I knew it!It was your french that did it.
Meanwhile I suspect our NZ reader Hoek has dutch parents…
To be true, Vlams at heart, but totally French. And actually turning Caribean – any Creole chatterbox here ?
Where R U Talentlessquitter ?
Netherlands…
Oh, my beloved ice-cream bar. How I love to lick your creamy center.
[eats bar of soap]
And your oh, so nutty chocolate covering. You’re not like the others. You like the same things I do: Wax paper. Boiled football leather. Dog breath. We’re not hitchhiking anymore. We’re riding!
I think you do a great job. I do have one concern with this website however. I believe that there are some people in the eBay world that inflate deck prices through illicit means. This site helps them – and i say this because a few times i have had people reference this site…. I buy decks pretty often and at good deals. They always reference the high price. None of my decks have been featured on your site, though i got them at a steal. Thats cools but the decks similar to what i bought only show on your site when their prices are way too big. I bought at way better prices but you don’t acknowlegdge. the reason is?…? the prices are inflated by only referencing big prices (or shitty decks at small prices to obviously create interest thus inflation). You are not an objective party because its in your interest to increase the value of your collection. other than that you are doing a great job. just remember that there are people out there that are not fooled. it just sucks when there is market manipulation – much like those douche bags of wallstreet. thank you house of neil.
??? I don’t know quite where to start. I feature auctions I find interesting, either because of the high price, the low price, (do you never look at the Bargains section), the colorway, the graphic, the photo, whatever. If I find it interesting, I put in there.
Send me some of the links to the auctions where you are winning popular decks at “way better prices”. I’ll be happy to show them.
If you find the decks in the bargain section to be “shitty”, then your collection must be pretty kickass.
And I’m not objective? Hmmph. I’m completely objective. I could care less what the deck is. I don’t show Hawks because they bore me. And my collection is paltry compared to most, so there’s no manipulation there.
And finally, if you are “not fooled” and think I’m “manipulating the market”, then you should go and publish your own site exposing the true value of decks. There’s nothing stopping you.
Unknown Comic!
Ebay watch being compared to Wall Street market manipulation? uhh, what? AKA houseofgreenspan?
“houseofgreenspan” – WINNER: dougdrill!
It’s all a conspiracy! Neil is part of the Illuminati, prolly shot JFK and is responsible for 911 too!! lol, some people assume WAY too much. $100 dude was rocking an aluminum foil hat when he wrote that…
Gave up on CW a couple of years back. At first I didn’t mind the wide range of skating but then, there seemed to be less & less that appealed to me. I’m an old schooler but it started IMO to feature a little too much Slalom and downhill longboarding. Also have to agree the design/layout is pretty weak. Sorry
I was stoked to read the intro Neil, I definitely share some of those opinions about CW although Juice has yet to reach the depths of Devon. Having now read the comments too see we’re not alone. The old school stuff in CW was cool, but the content has veered towards aspects of skating that don’t interest me much, although I dabble occasionally, I just don’t get stoked on huge slalom articles etc, which seem to take up an increasing amount of the editorial content. Also, I just don’t see skating from quite the same viewpoint as CW, it’s just a bit too “nice” if you know what I mean and to be honest, ( if a little harsh perhaps ), I don’t need to see all those check outs of kids doing rock fakies . Getting kids stoked on skating is all good but when I last looked at CW, there was one or two whole pages of these things every month, just a bit over the top for me.
True, CW covers aspects of the scene often overlooked, all good, each to their own, but it is no less biased than the mainstream mags, in fact giving some balance to the skate media. There are still gaps, but for me they are amply filled online, I think I read S&A, Chrome Ball, You Will Soon, Vert is Dead and other websites more than I do mags these days. In fact I’m thinking of starting my own UK flavoured blog.
As for, the decks, another selection of winners. The pig on the Don Brown is also to do with Don’s hometown of Brighton, known at the time as Pig City by the locals, their shop was called Pig City skates.
Loved the GSD deck, still want one of these. Did you see the Aeroplane Safety model in a deep brown or grey stain that was lurking on EBay this month? Looked sick. The Hartsel was nice too, for some reason I chose a Skull Dan Tag over this back in the day, don’t ask! The Tim Jacksons nice too, he has the craziest tricks ever in his Speed Freaks section!.
Damn, this is getting long, if you made it to the end, good work and thanks!
Well done, thanks for pointing out the DB Brighton connection….
I love that G&S deck in black too. It was from 1991, not 92. It’s odd that there were so many Heinzman decks out that year. Heinzman had the double kick deck, the picnic deck, and the one you show on your page.
“In fact I’m thinking of starting my own UK flavoured blog.” –> tell us more about it !
Actually a blog and a magazine are horses of a different colour. Not the same commitment.
I’ve been skating for 20 plus years and I’ve got stacks of old mags, decks and other assorted shit. I’ve been lurking on various blogs and websites for the past few years and feel inspired to add my own voice to the melee,
I’ve got a cheap scanner, cameras and a Mac so I figure I can probably rustle up something lo-f, if anyone’s interested. Probably scans from old mags, ( I’ve got RAD, Sidewalk, Skateboard!, Sk8 Action as well as US mags and a few zines ) video clips ( my own stuff from the Exeter scene, my past and real ones ), pics of stuff from my collection, opinions on things going on in the skate world, nothing ground breaking, but I’ve definitely got stuff I’ve yet to see elsewhere. If anyone’s interested.
Fair comment on mags and blogs being different, I’m yet to try either and I love both, I’m sure neither is a walk in the park. No disrespect to Michael Brooke either, his mag fills a niche in the ever diverse skate world, it just isn’t always my cup of tea, but it is far less biased or negative than any of the bigger publications. When was the last time Thrasher or Transworld covered anything but street or park stuff?
wow, this is post number 50…way more than Tarp Skating…
in fact, we’ve even blown the comments to the Mike V story out of the water
I appreciate the opportunity to provide a little bit more insight into the magazine…and my offer still stands – if you want to take a look at CW, send me your mailing address (mbrooke@interlog.com)
I want to clarify something that you wrote Neil about our readership.
This is a snapshot of our readership – taking from a readership survey – it’s about as accurate a snapshot as I can get. As you will plainly see, the VAST majority of CW’s readership is NOT 30-45. The VAST majority (61%) is UNDER 25!
AGE
16 and under: 23%
17 – 20 24%
21- 25 14%
26 – 31 8%
32 – 40 14%
41 – 47 17%
Mark Twain once wrote: “lies, damn lies and statistics”
The fact is that skateboarding has changed since I created the first issue of CW. And the issue I am working on now (NOV) will be vastly different than I created last November.
But, make no mistake. I the tribe here has spoken and I am seriously listening. We will tweak and change and improve. Do I aim to win everyone over? Nope. That’s just not going to happen. But, we will continue to build on what we’ve created.
On a final note. Slalom is a small part of CW. The same with other genres like freestyle. We do reports and features occasionally (ie: there is a 2 pager in the AUG/SEPT issue on Freestyle) but the fact is that we cover them only slightly. Downhill, longboarding and vert get way more exposure. Hell, even street gets more exposure!
Just look at the June issue (which, by the way, the delivery to our overseas readers was totally screwed up by Canada Post who decided to charge me air rate and shipped it by boat!) and tell me how slalom is overpowering the magazine?
cover – vert
table of contents – vert (and a female vert skater, I might add!)
opener – downhill
editorial – mixture of all genres
letters photo-sliding
Silverfish Report- longboarding
Old Man Army – vert
slalom report – 2 pages…ok kill me now!
Peruvian Ramp – vert
Original Skateboards – longboard company
Blind Skater – he rides vert and street
Ultraskating – hey, it’s a story about people who skate 100 miles at a time.
Skatopia – interview with film director
Green Skate
Freestyle report – 1 page – double kill me
Rider Profile – female downhill skater
Skateboarding and Education
Warped Tour Passport Program
IGSA Downhill report
Artist Profile
In conclusion, this is a wide mixture of skateboarding. It’s a wide mixture of ideas about skateboarding too.
And that’s exactly the direction I am going in.
Michael, as ever it’s awesome that you care enough to post responses on here. But being the asshole that I am, I have to ask, as you typed in that list of contents from the last issue, was there anything in that list that made you want to buy the magazine? Anything compelling at all? An article on Peruvian ramps? At least 3 reports on downhill skating? Sorry, but there’s no meat, or at least not enough for me to buy it.
And remember, this is coming from somebody that had a subscription for years and who had every issue of Concrete Wave up until 3 issues ago. I used to defend CW all the time, but just feel like I can’t anymore
Aren’t these differences what makes a market for all the different magazines and even your own column? Why limit such a diverse activity? Old Man Army – seems right up your alley? Skatopia – another? If I had to whine about something it would be the same for all of the magazines: too much advertising
The thing that strikes me when I see that is basically NO street skating and a ton of downhill. Downhill is just that, riding down a hill. Fun to do but not a huge topic of interest for most skaters, at least the ones I knew/know.
If history is a teacher, then sooner or later, we’ll see every current trick/line perfomed at downhill speeds.
and as for next wave…
we’ve trimmed that down to 1 page and my plan for the Jan issue is remove it completely.
Michael, I hope there is a whiff of sarcasm in this comment, don’t get too bummed, they’re only peoples opinions and I’m sure there are more people who don’t read this blog who are into your mag. In fact, maybe I should dig my slalom board out from behind my stack of 80’s set ups, put an under carriage on my 96cm Powell Quicksilver, buy the next issue of CW, go shred and shut up! Something I do believe is that skating is as personal as you want it to be, which is what makes it the best thing in the world, therefore, your mag has every right to be out there and does a good job covering all the stuff the ‘cool’ mags sneer at. Trust me, I used to buy them all and dropped most of them completely way before my purchases of CW became less frequent. Transworld has alot to answer for. At the end of the day, each to their own, keep doing what you do, it’s all skating so it’s all good really. Cheers.
i downloaded the CW iPhone app & it sucks.
let me address the CW app comment first
there are actually two apps…
the first CW app is strictly off the shelf – it’s pretty basic stuff…we did it to test the water – so if you don’t like it, no worries, it’s free to install and you can quickly delete it.
As for your comments Neil…we’ll have to agree to just disagree-I am sorry you didn’t like the list of topics.
As for your comment about meat – funny you should bring that up. Like I said before…one man’s meat is another’s poison. I serve this up as a meaty example:
Our story about the blind skater resonated with many…but a few people didn’t like it.
I found this story exceptional. You might not.
Why don’t you read it and then tell me if there’s enough meat for you….or perhaps it’s poison.
http://www.concretewavemagazine.com/magazine/volume-9/curent-issue/cane-a-able-an-autobiographical-essay-by-cameron-black
and for the record, I appreciate your comments – you’re not an asshole.
ah, damn, forgot to mention app #2
the zip zap app…
like most of the stuff I am involved with, this is something that I wanted to get out there and what I like in money, wanted to build over time. It’s taking a lot of time!
But Zip Zap works…and it’s free..download it at the app store and send me your thoughts.
and yes MB, you’re right…at the end of the day, it’s all skating…and opinion…but I am pleased to see that folks are engaged in this conversation. who knows, we might break 100 comments…but I doubt we’ll rival the “under fire” fiasco…ah, memories…
Holy Mother Of Christ! Michael I can understand your interest in this and respect that you stand by your zine, but 100 comments? I hope not. In fact I hope this shit is bumped to the bottom tomorrow for friday t&a.
What is wrong with me that I can’t understand all the commotion? It’s a magazine yeah? Not a magic pixy that appears and blows you on command right?
So read it or don’t. Like it or not. But holy crap don’t waste anymore breath Michael,on adults who’s crucial input is “your dumb game that I don’t use for more dumb crap that I don’t need,sucks.”
need, sucks”.
Sorry-too much caffine and I replied in haste. I do stand by the sentiment of the last 2 words of my post tho.
Uh,no capitals.You’re ‘MB’ he’s ‘mb’…
And you made your point well! I guess you and Neil can continue to email in private so we can end this discussion.
More T&A in CW!!
I’m only mb coz I’m too lazy to keep pressing shift, or spell properly. If Neil’s original piece had been about any of the mags, I could’ve been equally scathing. The only mags I keep hold of these days are Sidewalk and The Skateboard Mag, Thrasher I buy, read and usually give away, TWS and Skateboarder don’t get a look in. CW was always about the historical articles for me, so keep that up Michael, and I’m down. It’s probably about time to take heed of that old Texan saying, Shut up and Skate. That goes for me too.
Hey,even I keep one or two issues of Skateboard!.
I tend to think these are quite rare.Also got some RADs,good stuff from way back.
sorry meant to write lack in money…not like in money!
Neil,
I agree with you about 90% on CW and Juice. I quit CW sub 9 months ago and have bought one issue at a skateshop since then– the one with Bondi Bowl pics and story. The current issue I browsed and felt it was the least interesting ever to me.
Juice has great pics and interviews, but the type is way too small. Sometimes I get tired of Olson’s more childish questions and comments, but overall Juice is heck-o-rad.
Neil,
BTW– the DT Bulldog deck has a fiberglass bottom ply. That complete is the best bargain of the month. The deck should go for $1,100-plus alone. Super clean Indy’s worth $175-plus and raaarrre conical version of those wheels worth $100-plus, even with that level of use.
The yellow Dogtown Bulldog model that you featured in the June article is probably a fibreglass bottom deck. They did some of the Bob Biniak decks like that and they show up a bit more often than the Bulldog model. Still very rare.
thrasher, anyone?
thasher? What for? Wiping my ass?
ahahaha ok just wanted to know what you guys thought of it. i think its based in SF which im close too. they occasionaly post a shralpy video on youtube though.
Thrasher??? Alex, how could you sink so low?
dude who the fuck is this alex kid. my name is kodub and people tell me i have a pretty buttery boneless. anyways fuck the police im out to nonstop vert and sex. fuck yall 40 year old virgins.