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	<title>Comments on: Precast concrete waterfalls</title>
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	<description>Skateboarding culture for the disenfranchised</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: enemy combatant</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133363</link>
		<dc:creator>enemy combatant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;"and couch-sleeping."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Couch-sleeping?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;and couch-sleeping.&#8221;</em></p>

<p>Couch-sleeping?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: skater dave</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133343</link>
		<dc:creator>skater dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;"While these photos do not show parks built by Spohn Ranch, our upcoming parks in Brownsville, TX &#38; Casper, WY will have many of the same features, including waterfalls, over-vert, vert extensions and custom surfaces".....ooooooohh custom surfaces!!!
 Opportunistic copycat leeches is what you are.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While these photos do not show parks built by Spohn Ranch, our upcoming parks in Brownsville, TX &amp; Casper, WY will have many of the same features, including waterfalls, over-vert, vert extensions and custom surfaces&#8221;&#8230;..ooooooohh custom surfaces!!!
 Opportunistic copycat leeches is what you are.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: benny b bones</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133305</link>
		<dc:creator>benny b bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;"Unless you want to do drugs, drink booze or get in a fight, there’s no difference between an APA park and an unsupervised park"&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wow, so out of touch with the real skate scene. I don't mind wearing a helmet but if there is no booze, no drugs, and no fighting how am I supposed to impress the 15 year old skate hoes? By skating? Huh, never thought about that...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Appearently punk rock is dead.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unless you want to do drugs, drink booze or get in a fight, there’s no difference between an APA park and an unsupervised park&#8221;</p>

<p>Wow, so out of touch with the real skate scene. I don&#8217;t mind wearing a helmet but if there is no booze, no drugs, and no fighting how am I supposed to impress the 15 year old skate hoes? By skating? Huh, never thought about that&#8230;</p>

<p>Appearently punk rock is dead.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kilwag</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133234</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilwag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ouch! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;WINNER: Bobcat!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch! </p>

<p>WINNER: Bobcat!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bobcat</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133203</link>
		<dc:creator>bobcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Hays,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Go away and stop making that shit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The collective skateboarders on the internets (TM) and in real-life.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Hays,</p>

<p>Go away and stop making that shit.</p>

<p>Regards,</p>

<p>The collective skateboarders on the internets (TM) and in real-life.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bailgun</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133194</link>
		<dc:creator>bailgun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lies, lies, lies.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lies, lies, lies.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Hays</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133187</link>
		<dc:creator>Hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;About the "Pad Nanny" thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Action Park Alliance has never converted a free, unsupervised park into pay, supervised park.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There's no pad nannies at APA parks.  No one is told not to try a trick, or to wait their turn, or any of the things non-trained, non-skater pad nannies do at non-APA parks.  Most of our employees are local skaters who want free skating and the employee discount.  The average age of our "pad nannies" is 19.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unless you want to do drugs, drink booze or get in a fight, there's no difference between an APA park and an unsupervised park.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All the parks the APA supervises were already for-pay, supervised parks before the APA got involved.  Without the APA getting involved (and reducing the city's cost &#38; liability), the parks would have been closed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I understand your point.  For many of us, skateparks are places to go and get crazy.  But this gets into the Thrasher 'skate-and-destroy' aspect of skateboarding.  Bloody knuckles, hang-overs and couch-sleeping.  Am I right?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While that's a wonderful world, it's not what municipal officials want.  They don't want to get sued.  They don't want the mother's of the town complaining about drug dealers and non-skaters at the skatepark.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's a delicate thing for cities, you have to appreciate that.  10 years ago, it wasn't even a discussion, as there were so few skateparks worth of a supervision operation (i.e. pro shop &#38; concessions).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At the Glendale, AZ parks (Foothills &#38; WARP - both very nice concrete parks) the parks are totally free and unsupervised.  The APA just runs a pro-shop next door and does camps, lessons, etc...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We're about to take over 2 parks in So Cal where you pay a $20 annual fee to cover the city's waiver program and you can skate all you want.  The park will be supervised, but again, the supervision is so non-intrusive as to be almost invisible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The owners truly only got into it because the saw so many cities building parks with no plan, having inevitable problems, and shutting the park down.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know there's this ideal of a 'council of elders' who will zenfully lead the park's users toward a nirvana of mutual respect and bowl carving, but that's not always the case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hays&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the &#8220;Pad Nanny&#8221; thing.</p>

<p>The Action Park Alliance has never converted a free, unsupervised park into pay, supervised park.</p>

<p>There&#8217;s no pad nannies at APA parks.  No one is told not to try a trick, or to wait their turn, or any of the things non-trained, non-skater pad nannies do at non-APA parks.  Most of our employees are local skaters who want free skating and the employee discount.  The average age of our &#8220;pad nannies&#8221; is 19.</p>

<p>Unless you want to do drugs, drink booze or get in a fight, there&#8217;s no difference between an APA park and an unsupervised park.</p>

<p>All the parks the APA supervises were already for-pay, supervised parks before the APA got involved.  Without the APA getting involved (and reducing the city&#8217;s cost &amp; liability), the parks would have been closed.</p>

<p>I understand your point.  For many of us, skateparks are places to go and get crazy.  But this gets into the Thrasher &#8217;skate-and-destroy&#8217; aspect of skateboarding.  Bloody knuckles, hang-overs and couch-sleeping.  Am I right?</p>

<p>While that&#8217;s a wonderful world, it&#8217;s not what municipal officials want.  They don&#8217;t want to get sued.  They don&#8217;t want the mother&#8217;s of the town complaining about drug dealers and non-skaters at the skatepark.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s a delicate thing for cities, you have to appreciate that.  10 years ago, it wasn&#8217;t even a discussion, as there were so few skateparks worth of a supervision operation (i.e. pro shop &amp; concessions).</p>

<p>At the Glendale, AZ parks (Foothills &amp; WARP - both very nice concrete parks) the parks are totally free and unsupervised.  The APA just runs a pro-shop next door and does camps, lessons, etc&#8230;</p>

<p>We&#8217;re about to take over 2 parks in So Cal where you pay a $20 annual fee to cover the city&#8217;s waiver program and you can skate all you want.  The park will be supervised, but again, the supervision is so non-intrusive as to be almost invisible.</p>

<p>The owners truly only got into it because the saw so many cities building parks with no plan, having inevitable problems, and shutting the park down.</p>

<p>I know there&#8217;s this ideal of a &#8216;council of elders&#8217; who will zenfully lead the park&#8217;s users toward a nirvana of mutual respect and bowl carving, but that&#8217;s not always the case.</p>

<p>Hays</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: NO-PAD-NANNY_BS</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133160</link>
		<dc:creator>NO-PAD-NANNY_BS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pad Nanny Alliance quote:
"we join with cities in public-private partnerships to provide complete skate park supervision for maximum fun and safety at reduced liability and cost to the city."
http://www.allianceskateparks.com/services.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Complete skate park supervision = PAD NANNIES&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pad Nanny Alliance quote:
&#8220;we join with cities in public-private partnerships to provide complete skate park supervision for maximum fun and safety at reduced liability and cost to the city.&#8221;
<a href="http://www.allianceskateparks.com/services.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.allianceskateparks.com/services.html</a></p>

<p>Complete skate park supervision = PAD NANNIES</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: NO-PAD-NANNY_BS</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133159</link>
		<dc:creator>NO-PAD-NANNY_BS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spohn WANTS TO PUT PAD NANNIES IN EVERY PARK SO THEY CAN MAKE $$$$$ CHECK IT OUT: http://www.spohnranch.com/services/operations.htm&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spohn WANTS TO PUT PAD NANNIES IN EVERY PARK SO THEY CAN MAKE $$$$$ CHECK IT OUT: <a href="http://www.spohnranch.com/services/operations.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.spohnranch.com/services/operations.htm</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: WTF</title>
		<link>http://skateandannoy.com/2008/08/19/precast-waterfalls/#comment-133158</link>
		<dc:creator>WTF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hays: Do you want to reply to the Action Sport Alliance/Professional Pad Nanny Service thing? We are anxiously awaiting your response?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hays: Do you want to reply to the Action Sport Alliance/Professional Pad Nanny Service thing? We are anxiously awaiting your response?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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