Comments on: AST China Vert: Do you care? http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/ Skateboarding for the disenfranchised Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:12:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: JAKEANDANNOY http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100267 JAKEANDANNOY Wed, 14 May 2008 15:59:25 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100267 <p>No one was offended, at least I wasnt. </p> <p>It is kinda odd that this went from a calloused view on the Chinese and their recent disaster, to immigration and corporate business ethics. Anyway, </p> <p>Soreknee, if you live in Clark county or Multnomah, thats close enough for me to come help with your ramp...and your beer, I can help with that too. If you need any help get my email from Kilwag. </p> <p>I understand the contention. I work in a corporate office environment and things are pretty disapointing. Talk about unfair, the president of this company is absetee and doesnt do shit unless it comes to a grinding halt. So these antics have put we who are busting our asses further behind. The reward is to have his 21 year old son come in and make his spending money by impeding my work and doing a 1/2 baked job with my accounts. </p> <p>Eventually he will get some of my commission that I work hard and proper for. I didnt ask for his "help" and I didnt fuck up or do anything wrong to warrent this. This kid is alright but he has a very privilaged life and I support a family. I dunno whats worse, I mean I still have a job(that I resent)but I will take a significant loss of pay so this nice white rich kid(not hard working impoverished immigrant) can have some easy money and confidence that is usually earned through strong work ethic. </p> <p>And I've got to train him and try to not hate the guy. I didnt do shit in school but I worked hard and patiently to get my job and I could go on but who cares Life is shit, The world is shit and were all gunna die for our ignorance. The end</p> No one was offended, at least I wasnt.

It is kinda odd that this went from a calloused view on the Chinese and their recent disaster, to immigration and corporate business ethics. Anyway,

Soreknee, if you live in Clark county or Multnomah, thats close enough for me to come help with your ramp…and your beer, I can help with that too. If you need any help get my email from Kilwag.

I understand the contention. I work in a corporate office environment and things are pretty disapointing. Talk about unfair, the president of this company is absetee and doesnt do shit unless it comes to a grinding halt. So these antics have put we who are busting our asses further behind. The reward is to have his 21 year old son come in and make his spending money by impeding my work and doing a 1/2 baked job with my accounts.

Eventually he will get some of my commission that I work hard and proper for. I didnt ask for his “help” and I didnt fuck up or do anything wrong to warrent this. This kid is alright but he has a very privilaged life and I support a family. I dunno whats worse, I mean I still have a job(that I resent)but I will take a significant loss of pay so this nice white rich kid(not hard working impoverished immigrant) can have some easy money and confidence that is usually earned through strong work ethic.

And I’ve got to train him and try to not hate the guy. I didnt do shit in school but I worked hard and patiently to get my job and I could go on but who cares Life is shit, The world is shit and were all gunna die for our ignorance. The end

]]> By: LP http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100262 LP Wed, 14 May 2008 14:02:57 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100262 <p>yeah and again sorry if i offended anyone here, but sometimes you have to offend to stand up for what you believe. i don't listen to "ksfo and sean hannity"...like i said, stern is the only program i listen to religiously and thats as "liberal" as it comes. i just love my country, and believe hard work should bring fortune, not outsourcing. i worked at a company that outsourced to cheap labor in idaho. that seems like the good ol' days, seeing as now when you call a bank or your dsl's support line you get a person in another continent. the quest for cheap labor is america's downfall. that's the way it is. greed trumps morals every time. anyway, back to skating.</p> yeah and again sorry if i offended anyone here, but sometimes you have to offend to stand up for what you believe. i don’t listen to “ksfo and sean hannity”…like i said, stern is the only program i listen to religiously and thats as “liberal” as it comes. i just love my country, and believe hard work should bring fortune, not outsourcing. i worked at a company that outsourced to cheap labor in idaho. that seems like the good ol’ days, seeing as now when you call a bank or your dsl’s support line you get a person in another continent. the quest for cheap labor is america’s downfall. that’s the way it is. greed trumps morals every time. anyway, back to skating.

]]> By: soreknee http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100171 soreknee Wed, 14 May 2008 00:03:21 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100171 <p>"However, our parents might have had that same premonition."</p> <p>JAKEANDANNOY Don't know you or your parents but my parents are in there early 60s, when I grew up in the 80s my parents believed as long as you went to college the world was your oyster. That opinion has changed.</p> <p>Kilwag Sorry for the rant this really is not the place. On a happier note, over the last several months, before I found out I was being laid off I started buying a couple pieces of lumber a paycheck I have all the wood and I’m about half way done with my mini. My day is done I’m going home to crack a beer sit in my car port and work on my mini. No job equals more skate.</p> <p>Who would have thought that a post about vert in China would have sparked this lively debate.</p> “However, our parents might have had that same premonition.”

JAKEANDANNOY Don’t know you or your parents but my parents are in there early 60s, when I grew up in the 80s my parents believed as long as you went to college the world was your oyster. That opinion has changed.

Kilwag Sorry for the rant this really is not the place. On a happier note, over the last several months, before I found out I was being laid off I started buying a couple pieces of lumber a paycheck I have all the wood and I’m about half way done with my mini. My day is done I’m going home to crack a beer sit in my car port and work on my mini. No job equals more skate.

Who would have thought that a post about vert in China would have sparked this lively debate.

]]> By: JAKEANDANNOY http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100167 JAKEANDANNOY Tue, 13 May 2008 23:27:37 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100167 <p>"I can not help but look at my kids and think how screwed their generation is" </p> <p>I agree with that. </p> <p>However, our parents might have had that same premonition.</p> “I can not help but look at my kids and think how screwed their generation is”

I agree with that.

However, our parents might have had that same premonition.

]]> By: soreknee http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100165 soreknee Tue, 13 May 2008 23:23:12 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100165 <p>You are right JAKEANDANNOY my example was to loose. The paths will be clearly marked RICH and POOR. Some will succeed and some will not. But I would like to think I was on the right path, busted my ass, went to college, majored in what I thought was an up and coming industry, got a job with a good company, started a 401K, purchased a house and had a couple kid not necessarily in that order but I was living the dream. Now I have one kid that’s a couple years from college another that needs braces and I am looking at cashing in my 401K to pay my mortgage in the hopes that I can avoid tapping into the kid’s college fund. It may not hit our generation as hard but I can not help but look at my kids and think how screwed that generation is.</p> You are right JAKEANDANNOY my example was to loose. The paths will be clearly marked RICH and POOR. Some will succeed and some will not. But I would like to think I was on the right path, busted my ass, went to college, majored in what I thought was an up and coming industry, got a job with a good company, started a 401K, purchased a house and had a couple kid not necessarily in that order but I was living the dream. Now I have one kid that’s a couple years from college another that needs braces and I am looking at cashing in my 401K to pay my mortgage in the hopes that I can avoid tapping into the kid’s college fund. It may not hit our generation as hard but I can not help but look at my kids and think how screwed that generation is.

]]> By: JAKEANDANNOY http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100163 JAKEANDANNOY Tue, 13 May 2008 23:02:04 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100163 <p>Im sympathetic to your situation Soreknee, I wasnt trying to make light of that shit. You seem intelligent enough so I bet life moved on and you are working again right? In some other "3rd world countries" another job or recovery from that wouldnt even be an option. If our world leader left us as a 3rd world country(I know, recockulous to imagine) I dont think we would want to quarentined and stonewalled from migrating to, say, Canada......</p> Im sympathetic to your situation Soreknee, I wasnt trying to make light of that shit. You seem intelligent enough so I bet life moved on and you are working again right? In some other “3rd world countries” another job or recovery from that wouldnt even be an option. If our world leader left us as a 3rd world country(I know, recockulous to imagine) I dont think we would want to quarentined and stonewalled from migrating to, say, Canada……

]]> By: soreknee http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100162 soreknee Tue, 13 May 2008 22:54:20 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100162 <p>Thanks LP and Kilwag, it does blow. I would prefer not to give out the name of the company because I know a lot of your readers work for, have worked for or support this company. Let’s just say I work in the IT industry for a huge conglomerate, and many big companies these days are finding it is cheaper to outsource to India, Mexico any number of places that the work can be done cheaper. My position was not outsourced to another country but the small portion of the big conglomerate that I work for was sold off to another company to save money and the only way to save money was to cut people and replace them with cheaper labor. There will still be somebody sitting at my desk doing my job; they will just be doing it for a lot less.</p> Thanks LP and Kilwag, it does blow. I would prefer not to give out the name of the company because I know a lot of your readers work for, have worked for or support this company. Let’s just say I work in the IT industry for a huge conglomerate, and many big companies these days are finding it is cheaper to outsource to India, Mexico any number of places that the work can be done cheaper. My position was not outsourced to another country but the small portion of the big conglomerate that I work for was sold off to another company to save money and the only way to save money was to cut people and replace them with cheaper labor. There will still be somebody sitting at my desk doing my job; they will just be doing it for a lot less.

]]> By: duders http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100161 duders Tue, 13 May 2008 22:52:03 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100161 <p>NAFTA and free trade agreements are bad for US workers, but they are or were backed bipartisan and not limited to the democrats or the republicans. i believe NAFTA was pushed through during clintons time, but a slew of other "trade liberalization" measures have passed or been proposed since bush was in office. both parties are evil fucks catering to corporate interests, so lay off the "liberal media" bullshit. LP probably some of your opinions arent that bad but you come off as someone who listens to KSFO too much and watches too much Sean Hannity. Think for yourself.</p> NAFTA and free trade agreements are bad for US workers, but they are or were backed bipartisan and not limited to the democrats or the republicans. i believe NAFTA was pushed through during clintons time, but a slew of other “trade liberalization” measures have passed or been proposed since bush was in office. both parties are evil fucks catering to corporate interests, so lay off the “liberal media” bullshit. LP probably some of your opinions arent that bad but you come off as someone who listens to KSFO too much and watches too much Sean Hannity. Think for yourself.

]]> By: JAKEANDANNOY http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100160 JAKEANDANNOY Tue, 13 May 2008 22:48:27 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100160 <p>No, its not the path we are on. I mean, how can you say all of America is even on one, let alone the same path? </p> <p>That's a bit more than ridiculous to assume. Its "recockulous".</p> <p>Our diversity works for and against us but you cant hold the entire country responsible for a myriad of choices being made, by different entities.</p> <p>At the turn of the(19th)century they were pretty much giving away land parcels and goverment/civil service jobs to the variety of immigrants comming here by the boatload. Competition, foreign criminals, and fighting poverty were all issues associated with immigration then. I wouldnt willingly give my job to anyone,unless they were dying and that were the cure. That has nothing to do with it. I dont think Im exempt from Soreknee's situation and would agree noone here is. </p> <p>I'd sooner concur with the arguement that our country is selling out, rather than being invaded tho. </p> <p>I like Doug Stanhopes rant, that if some disorented, 1/2 starved mexican dude with no shoes can step off a truck and snag your job by meeting the same qualifications, your fucked. At least it's a funny way to see things. </p> <p>My lengthy point is: rhetoric or skateboarding, choose wisely. Because our dry season is approaching and you can either have a summer of good sessions or lament on American immigration all old timey style with the whole go back to Africa-close the book on others-what happened to the good old days bullshit. Our country is degenerating, changing for the worse, etc but its nothing new. Shit, you guys sound like Grapes of Wrath it cracks me up. Head back out californie way, I dunno, but I will never cry or stamp my privilaged American feet about the issue. Think for a second that Mexicans are also competing with other Mexicans for those jobs they are "stealing" from us so who will work for less isnt the only factor involved. I might know what Im talking about, Ive seen both sides in experience and worked as a landscape foreman for a few years, in AZ, and was born and raised in L.A. Or maybe Im wrong and immigrants will invade my home and eat my children while I sleep. SK8ANDIMMIGRATE</p> No, its not the path we are on. I mean, how can you say all of America is even on one, let alone the same path?

That’s a bit more than ridiculous to assume. Its “recockulous”.

Our diversity works for and against us but you cant hold the entire country responsible for a myriad of choices being made, by different entities.

At the turn of the(19th)century they were pretty much giving away land parcels and goverment/civil service jobs to the variety of immigrants comming here by the boatload. Competition, foreign criminals, and fighting poverty were all issues associated with immigration then. I wouldnt willingly give my job to anyone,unless they were dying and that were the cure. That has nothing to do with it. I dont think Im exempt from Soreknee’s situation and would agree noone here is.

I’d sooner concur with the arguement that our country is selling out, rather than being invaded tho.

I like Doug Stanhopes rant, that if some disorented, 1/2 starved mexican dude with no shoes can step off a truck and snag your job by meeting the same qualifications, your fucked. At least it’s a funny way to see things.

My lengthy point is: rhetoric or skateboarding, choose wisely. Because our dry season is approaching and you can either have a summer of good sessions or lament on American immigration all old timey style with the whole go back to Africa-close the book on others-what happened to the good old days bullshit. Our country is degenerating, changing for the worse, etc but its nothing new. Shit, you guys sound like Grapes of Wrath it cracks me up. Head back out californie way, I dunno, but I will never cry or stamp my privilaged American feet about the issue. Think for a second that Mexicans are also competing with other Mexicans for those jobs they are “stealing” from us so who will work for less isnt the only factor involved. I might know what Im talking about, Ive seen both sides in experience and worked as a landscape foreman for a few years, in AZ, and was born and raised in L.A. Or maybe Im wrong and immigrants will invade my home and eat my children while I sleep. SK8ANDIMMIGRATE

]]> By: bobcat http://skateandannoy.com/2008/05/12/ast-china-vert-do-you-care/#comment-100159 bobcat Tue, 13 May 2008 22:41:25 +0000 http://skateandannoy.com/?p=6399#comment-100159 <p>There's going to always be someone out there that will do your job for cheaper. Sad, but that's how it rolls.</p> There’s going to always be someone out there that will do your job for cheaper. Sad, but that’s how it rolls.

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